Comments on: The issue of Flash Player bundling: A matter of trust http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/ For geeks with social skills! Wed, 05 May 2010 09:31:40 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Christine Casselman http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/comment-page-2/#comment-18982 Christine Casselman Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:30:18 +0000 /?p=53#comment-18982 Hi Vito...HELP!!!I've lived with this "get flash player" pop-up parasite for a month.I expected Adobe to help me- HA!After promising to look in-to it two weeks ago,they cut me loose today.My computer is trashed I just got it,used. and had 2mo good use-then I downloaded adobe 8 reader and that was it,Seven people at adobe flat out denied it.I have reams of proof.For a 60yr old Luddite, I was learning quickly and enjoying it.Could I please have John's address at adobe?., I would like to tell him about this.Right now I'm going to post my Hyjack This! log.Thanks for listening. cc PS I have no adobe product on my machine now. Hi Vito…HELP!!!I’ve lived with this “get flash player” pop-up parasite for a month.I expected Adobe to help me- HA!After promising to look in-to it two weeks ago,they cut me loose today.My computer is trashed I just got it,used. and had 2mo good use-then I downloaded adobe 8 reader and that was it,Seven people at adobe flat out denied it.I have reams of proof.For a 60yr old Luddite, I was learning quickly and enjoying it.Could I please have John’s address at adobe?.,
I would like to tell him about this.Right now I’m going to post my Hyjack This! log.Thanks for listening. cc
PS I have no adobe product on my machine now.

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]]> By: VeryVito http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/comment-page-2/#comment-16998 VeryVito Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:36:09 +0000 /?p=53#comment-16998 Hi Michael -- sounds like you've got your Internet Explorer security settings set to "High" (or otherwise managed to disable ActiveX). Try the following: Select Tools, then Internet Options from the menu at the top of the IE window. The Internet Options window will appear. Select Security from the list of tabs at the top of the Internet Options window. The Security tab will appear. Select the Custom Level button. The Security Settings window will appear. Scroll down to the Download signed ActiveX controls entry and select the prompt radio button. Scroll down to the Run ActiveX controls and plugins entry and select the enabled radio button. Select the OK button to accept the changes. That should do it. (Although at this point I would feel remiss if I didn't add "just junk IE and switch to Firefox and save yourself some headaches!") Hi Michael — sounds like you’ve got your Internet Explorer security settings set to “High” (or otherwise managed to disable ActiveX). Try the following:

Select Tools, then Internet Options from the menu at the top of the IE window. The Internet Options window will appear.

Select Security from the list of tabs at the top of the Internet Options window. The Security tab will appear.

Select the Custom Level button. The Security Settings window will appear.

Scroll down to the Download signed ActiveX controls entry and select the prompt radio button.

Scroll down to the Run ActiveX controls and plugins entry and select the enabled radio button.

Select the OK button to accept the changes.

That should do it. (Although at this point I would feel remiss if I didn’t add “just junk IE and switch to Firefox and save yourself some headaches!”)

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]]> By: Michael Childress http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/comment-page-2/#comment-16981 Michael Childress Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:05:36 +0000 /?p=53#comment-16981 I am on the brink of insanity. Help. Ii'm simply trryin to download FLASH PLAYER 9. A pop up interrupts the process and reads: This page provides potentially unsafe information to an ACTIVEX control. Your current settings prohibit running controls in this manner. As a reslut this page may not display correctly." I am on the brink of insanity. Help. Ii’m simply trryin to download FLASH PLAYER 9. A pop up interrupts the process and reads: This page provides potentially unsafe information to an ACTIVEX control. Your current settings prohibit running controls in this manner. As a reslut this page may not display correctly.”

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]]> By: Bill Gates http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/comment-page-2/#comment-5469 Bill Gates Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:22:15 +0000 /?p=53#comment-5469 [...] Furthermore About a year ago, a lot of people were questioning why Macromedia made a deal to bundle Yahoo’s toolbar with Flash downloads by default — a practice many pointed out was quite similar to the way spyware was included with other apps. In fact, many seemed to feel it was sneaky and untrustworthy. Since then, Macromedia merged with Adobe, who apparently didn’t have a problem with these types of deals, because they’ve now done a similar deal with Google for their toolbar to be included on Shockwave Player downloads. [...] [...] Furthermore About a year ago, a lot of people were questioning why Macromedia made a deal to bundle Yahoo’s toolbar with Flash downloads by default — a practice many pointed out was quite similar to the way spyware was included with other apps. In fact, many seemed to feel it was sneaky and untrustworthy. Since then, Macromedia merged with Adobe, who apparently didn’t have a problem with these types of deals, because they’ve now done a similar deal with Google for their toolbar to be included on Shockwave Player downloads. [...]

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]]> By: Bill Gates http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/comment-page-2/#comment-4548 Bill Gates Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:23:24 +0000 /?p=53#comment-4548 [...] . About a year ago, a lot of people were questioning why Macromedia made a deal to bundle Yahoo’s toolbar with Flash downloads by default — a practice many pointed out was quite similar to the way spyware was included with other apps. In fact, many seemed to feel it was sneaky and untrustworthy. Since then, Macromedia merged with Adobe, who apparently didn’t have a problem with these types of deals, because they’ve now done a similar deal with Google for their toolbar to be included on Shockwave Player downloads. [...] [...] . About a year ago, a lot of people were questioning why Macromedia made a deal to bundle Yahoo’s toolbar with Flash downloads by default — a practice many pointed out was quite similar to the way spyware was included with other apps. In fact, many seemed to feel it was sneaky and untrustworthy. Since then, Macromedia merged with Adobe, who apparently didn’t have a problem with these types of deals, because they’ve now done a similar deal with Google for their toolbar to be included on Shockwave Player downloads. [...]

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]]> By: Chris Knight http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/comment-page-2/#comment-2862 Chris Knight Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:14:24 +0000 /?p=53#comment-2862 In the meantime we can all supply our end-users with the following url :- http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/triggerpages_mmcom/flash.html which installs flash without the advert screen and the dreaded 'Yahoo toolbar'. I'm calling it the 'one click flash'. In the meantime we can all supply our end-users with the following url :-

http://www.macr...mcom/flash.html

which installs flash without the advert screen and the dreaded ‘Yahoo toolbar’. I’m calling it the ‘one click flash’.

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]]> By: Chris Knight http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/comment-page-2/#comment-2861 Chris Knight Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:35:17 +0000 /?p=53#comment-2861 Are Macromedia really listening? Lets keep it nice and simple for them. Macromedia, please remove the Yahoo toolbar or at the very least make it an opt-in. Are Macromedia really listening? Lets keep it nice and simple for them.

Macromedia, please remove the Yahoo toolbar or at the very least make it an opt-in.

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]]> By: AB from ABS http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/comment-page-2/#comment-2297 AB from ABS Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:30:09 +0000 /?p=53#comment-2297 Hey! Long time no see. I kept my URL out because I notice you have a problem with spammers. I agree with your points. Especially where you mention that the products cannot stand alone on their own if they have to resort to this. Since my site is mostly flash content, I am forced to push the flash player installation on my visitors who wish to view the files, but ever since they added the Yahoo toolbar I have felt wrong doing so. It's like saying if you come to my site you will leave with a toolbar installed. Toolbars have never been a popular product and companies resort to forcing it on people though bundled installations rather than coding something more useful than a needless tool with the main purpose of branding someone's browser. Now I am getting angry. I don't like John's excuse of it being "only" IE visitors that see it. "Only" 94% of visitors. "Only" people like me with IE. I know if the toolbar worked with Firefox, it would show up for them as well, just as Google is pushing their toolbar with Firefox. I don't use the ActiveX method either (I'm against ActiveX and all popups) so I help Macromedia by linking to their site so people update their player. I even have a JavaScript detection method to send people to their site if they don't have the player. Some of my members save up a whole year to buy the Flash product just to create the content. Because of bundled software with the player for such expensive content, Flash has lost credibility as an interface medium of the web. Nothing is bundled to view other web code except Flash now. I cannot imagine Yahoo toolbar being bundled with jpeg viewing or javascript compatibility in browsers. Imagine visiting a site that's asking you if you want to install a toolbar if you wish to view the site. If Macromedia were serious about being a mainstream web interface rather than a specialty plugin, they would not do this bundling thing. Hey! Long time no see. I kept my URL out because I notice you have a problem with spammers.

I agree with your points. Especially where you mention that the products cannot stand alone on their own if they have to resort to this.

Since my site is mostly flash content, I am forced to push the flash player installation on my visitors who wish to view the files, but ever since they added the Yahoo toolbar I have felt wrong doing so. It’s like saying if you come to my site you will leave with a toolbar installed. Toolbars have never been a popular product and companies resort to forcing it on people though bundled installations rather than coding something more useful than a needless tool with the main purpose of branding someone’s browser. Now I am getting angry.

I don’t like John’s excuse of it being “only” IE visitors that see it. “Only” 94% of visitors. “Only” people like me with IE. I know if the toolbar worked with Firefox, it would show up for them as well, just as Google is pushing their toolbar with Firefox. I don’t use the ActiveX method either (I’m against ActiveX and all popups) so I help Macromedia by linking to their site so people update their player. I even have a JavaScript detection method to send people to their site if they don’t have the player.

Some of my members save up a whole year to buy the Flash product just to create the content. Because of bundled software with the player for such expensive content, Flash has lost credibility as an interface medium of the web. Nothing is bundled to view other web code except Flash now. I cannot imagine Yahoo toolbar being bundled with jpeg viewing or javascript compatibility in browsers. Imagine visiting a site that’s asking you if you want to install a toolbar if you wish to view the site. If Macromedia were serious about being a mainstream web interface rather than a specialty plugin, they would not do this bundling thing.

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]]> By: Turdhead.com » Dear Macromedia and Adobe, http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/comment-page-2/#comment-2078 Turdhead.com » Dear Macromedia and Adobe, Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:59:55 +0000 /?p=53#comment-2078 [...] (P.S. No Yahoo! Toolbar stuff, either!) [...] [...] (P.S. No Yahoo! Toolbar stuff, either!) [...]

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]]> By: John http://www.turdhead.com/2005/03/02/the-real-reason-im-concerned-about-flash-player-bundling-trust/comment-page-2/#comment-1984 John Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:16:21 +0000 /?p=53#comment-1984 MACROMEDIA LOADED THIRD PARTY SPYWARE ON MY COMPUTER. AS A RESULT MY COMPUTER CAUGHT ON FIRE WHILE I WAS TRYING TO REMOVE THE SPYWARE (OVERHEATED). THANKS MACROMEDIA! DO NOT DOWNLOAD MACROMEDIA! MACROMEDIA LOADED THIRD PARTY SPYWARE ON MY COMPUTER. AS A RESULT MY COMPUTER CAUGHT ON FIRE WHILE I WAS TRYING TO REMOVE THE SPYWARE (OVERHEATED). THANKS MACROMEDIA! DO NOT DOWNLOAD MACROMEDIA!

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