Comments on: All I want for Christmas is an open-source IDE http://www.turdhead.com/2005/12/19/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-an-open-source-ide/ For geeks with social skills! Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:31:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: valentin http://www.turdhead.com/2005/12/19/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-an-open-source-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-9030 valentin Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:57:32 +0000 http://www.turdhead.com/?p=120#comment-9030 I am on Linux (Ubuntu) and do run Flash 8. Through Wine yes. And yes, I did pay for my copy. Flash does put bread on my table, so I think it is just fair I pay my copy. The couple hundred that the full version cost are well back in my pocket....anyway, just thought I'd share that. Open source or not. I do release most my stuff if there is anything new to my code. And do actively participate as a tester in multiple osflash projects. what I love about the 'open source' movement (in the lack of a better adjective here) is the participatory aspect of it. If, in the end, I have to flip my part of the bill, I do not understand where the problem. Let's face the facts, someone always HAS TO get payed. Sometimes it's you, sometimes it's me, and every now and then, it is that other guy or gal down the street... keep the change... V I am on Linux (Ubuntu) and do run Flash 8. Through Wine yes. And yes, I did pay for my copy. Flash does put bread on my table, so I think it is just fair I pay my copy. The couple hundred that the full version cost are well back in my pocket….anyway, just thought I’d share that. Open source or not. I do release most my stuff if there is anything new to my code. And do actively participate as a tester in multiple osflash projects.

what I love about the ‘open source’ movement (in the lack of a better adjective here) is the participatory aspect of it. If, in the end, I have to flip my part of the bill, I do not understand where the problem. Let’s face the facts, someone always HAS TO get payed. Sometimes it’s you, sometimes it’s me, and every now and then, it is that other guy or gal down the street…

keep the change…

V

]]> By: VeryVito http://www.turdhead.com/2005/12/19/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-an-open-source-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-2194 VeryVito Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:59:13 +0000 http://www.turdhead.com/?p=120#comment-2194 I agree with JD that the client should be kept as standard as possible. In fact, flexibility among clients almost always leads to gross complexity and programmatic nightmares (i.e., the ol' Netscrape vs. Internet Exploder code trees). While I like the idea of opening up a file-level interface to Flash (a la Screenweaver or Zinc), the thought of Flash production becoming subject to "Which player would you like to target?" decisions at publication time would surely ruin its magic for many of us. It's hard enough knowing the Flash Lite player is already out there acting "different" from the other versions -- I'd hate to have to support separate app versions for a Microsoft player, a Zinc player, a Knoppix player, a GNU player, an Adobe player, a Universal player, etc. That's what makes Flash so awesome today -- one small player runs everything. The only way I think anybody would want to see SWF "extensions" would be those embedded in standalone projector files (for local file access, etc). The player itself must remain sacred. ;) I agree with JD that the client should be kept as standard as possible. In fact, flexibility among clients almost always leads to gross complexity and programmatic nightmares (i.e., the ol’ Netscrape vs. Internet Exploder code trees).

While I like the idea of opening up a file-level interface to Flash (a la Screenweaver or Zinc), the thought of Flash production becoming subject to “Which player would you like to target?” decisions at publication time would surely ruin its magic for many of us. It’s hard enough knowing the Flash Lite player is already out there acting “different” from the other versions — I’d hate to have to support separate app versions for a Microsoft player, a Zinc player, a Knoppix player, a GNU player, an Adobe player, a Universal player, etc.

That’s what makes Flash so awesome today — one small player runs everything. The only way I think anybody would want to see SWF “extensions” would be those embedded in standalone projector files (for local file access, etc). The player itself must remain sacred. ;)

]]> By: Naphthalene http://www.turdhead.com/2005/12/19/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-an-open-source-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-2193 Naphthalene Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:40:12 +0000 http://www.turdhead.com/?p=120#comment-2193 Ah, John: I see you've finally lumped the "/mm" for "/adobe" :) How're they treating you over there? :D <i><strong>Editor's response:</strong> Check out his blog entry at <a target="_blank" href="http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2005/12/current_status.cfm">http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/</a> for details. And thanks for dropping by, John!</i> Ah, John: I see you’ve finally lumped the “/mm” for “/adobe” :) How’re they treating you over there? :D

Editor’s response: Check out his blog entry at http://weblogs....romedia.com/jd/ for details. And thanks for dropping by, John!

]]> By: John Dowdell http://www.turdhead.com/2005/12/19/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-an-open-source-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-2192 John Dowdell Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:57:45 +0000 http://www.turdhead.com/?p=120#comment-2192 <em>"... it surprises me there are still no open IDEs for Linux and other platforms...."</em> Each person can do the work they wish, of course, and then once they've done it they can choose how they'd like to share that with others. But some *have* been using opensource efforts on various types of Linux, although the lack of predictability still makes this harder: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2005/11/fames_on_ubuntu.cfm More on the subject: http://flashant.org/index.php?p=483&c=1#comments http://www.kaourantin.net/2005/08/porting-flash-player-to-alternative.html Related popular discussion topic: "opensource" for creation or delivery makes sense because you control your own machine, but "opensource" for clientside engines is trickier because it competes with the goal of predictable running on Other Peoples Machines (OPMs ;-) ... VRML, SVG, CSS are all examples of what happens to fragmented runtimes. jd/adobe “… it surprises me there are still no open IDEs for Linux and other platforms….”

Each person can do the work they wish, of course, and then once they’ve done it they can choose how they’d like to share that with others.

But some *have* been using opensource efforts on various types of Linux, although the lack of predictability still makes this harder:
http://weblogs....s_on_ubuntu.cfm

More on the subject:
http://flashant...38;c=1#comments
http://www.kaou...lternative.html

Related popular discussion topic: “opensource” for creation or delivery makes sense because you control your own machine, but “opensource” for clientside engines is trickier because it competes with the goal of predictable running on Other Peoples Machines (OPMs ;-) … VRML, SVG, CSS are all examples of what happens to fragmented runtimes.

jd/adobe

]]> By: Jay Araujo http://www.turdhead.com/2005/12/19/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-an-open-source-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-2191 Jay Araujo Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:18:31 +0000 http://www.turdhead.com/?p=120#comment-2191 Regarding Dominick's comment, I'm not sure that MTASC not suporting AS 3.0 would keep ppl from developing such an open source IDE. After all, most ppl would use it for non-class based applications, like websites and the likes. Let's not forget that AS 2 has been around for years and most website development work is still done in AS 1 and may even continue do be like so for a long time. Regarding Dominick’s comment, I’m not sure that MTASC not suporting AS 3.0 would keep ppl from developing such an open source IDE. After all, most ppl would use it for non-class based applications, like websites and the likes. Let’s not forget that AS 2 has been around for years and most website development work is still done in AS 1 and may even continue do be like so for a long time.

]]> By: Rob Cameron http://www.turdhead.com/2005/12/19/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-an-open-source-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-2190 Rob Cameron Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:26:27 +0000 http://www.turdhead.com/?p=120#comment-2190 Anyone working on a project like this for Eclipse? Anyone working on a project like this for Eclipse?

]]> By: VeryVito http://www.turdhead.com/2005/12/19/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-an-open-source-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-2188 VeryVito Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:05:47 +0000 http://www.turdhead.com/?p=120#comment-2188 Senocular -- of COURSE you have to hate Flash to use Linux! But if there were an open-source alternative, I think all would be forgiven. ;) Senocular — of COURSE you have to hate Flash to use Linux! But if there were an open-source alternative, I think all would be forgiven. ;)

]]> By: senocular http://www.turdhead.com/2005/12/19/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-an-open-source-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-2187 senocular Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:59:59 +0000 http://www.turdhead.com/?p=120#comment-2187 IDEs for Linux? If you're using Linux, isn't it law that you hate Flash? IDEs for Linux? If you’re using Linux, isn’t it law that you hate Flash?

]]> By: Dominick http://www.turdhead.com/2005/12/19/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-an-open-source-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-2186 Dominick Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:43:29 +0000 http://www.turdhead.com/?p=120#comment-2186 I think there are a few things that have hindered this effort. One, MTASC is not going to support actionscript 3.0. Two, they don't release the Flash Specifications soon enough. We will always be behind in creating this ide unless there is more information posted sooner in terms of the format. I think there are a few things that have hindered this effort. One, MTASC is not going to
support actionscript 3.0. Two, they don’t release the Flash Specifications soon enough. We will
always be behind in creating this ide unless there is more information posted sooner in terms
of the format.

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